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Yeap, go to the Legislative Office Building around 11:30 AM with a little plastic baggy, and grab as many free dairy products as you can haul out of there or stuff in your face while you are there.
You could get there a bit earlier and listen to John Lincoln, Jim Tedisco, and of course Pat Manning. See, we all think them dairy farmers are the greatest people in the world, not to mention free food is good, and Dairy Day is the only reason why Assembly Republicans have not been outlawed in our state.
There are some Assemblymembers who just like hearing their names being heard or maybe they just like sucking up to special interests. Ortiz's latest proposal is requiring drivers to all have breath tests in their cars before they will start.
Hah. Well, I guess that really highlights the problems with drunk driving. It's so easy to be over the limit after a few drinks at a party in the evening. No I don't think we'll have to worry much about this bill.
Or something like that with this latest endorsement for Andy Cuomo comes from Cuomo-family revial Ed Koch. It's quite interesting to see how Andy Cuomo got Koch to support him, who is happy to admit that people like Mark Green and Shawn Patrick Maloney are good, but they're time is not now.
The NYS DOT is planning to use emminent domain to buy up a small little tackle shop to realign a road and move another bridge. This proposal has gotten the universal disapproval of pols across the North Country.
Some people are claiming this is a conspiracy between DOT and APA, though such things are doubtful. Since when did gov't bureaucrats work together? At any rate, it's one tackle shop and if the owner gets fair compensation that's a reasonable use of eminent domain to make the road safer.
Those funky cows with the big stripe over the bellies have an interesting website, that talks about these animals, and how they are pretty good cows for grazing on marginal terrian.
Not only is the pestisides used in growing corn somewhat controversal, the big ethanol producing plants out west are purty polluting and dirty, using things like coal to heat up the ethanol, and various VOCs coming off the mix as it cooks.
So the plants are like most industrial plants, they are dirty and polluting. They might be cooking up some (renewable resource) moonshine to burn in your truck, but they aren't that great either, yet.
What we need is more small-scale ethanol production (on farm), and local use of the fuel. With things like that, we can burn less fuel to make it and possibly even use cleaner fuels to generate ethanol.
The article as a side also mentions the Coeymans dump. While we must always remain vigellent against the threat of dump, it's not clear these days how serious the city is about it. In many ways, the $5 million the city has dumped into property options in Coeymans next to Lafarge seem
The DEC has specifically mandated that the city presue the plan for another dump to replace Rapp Road as a stipulation for granting the 360 permit. The state has told the city that they can't continue to expand into the Pine Bush indefinately.
This permit was issued prior to the Supreme Court knocking down flow control, and also requires unconsitutionally that Albany collect all the garbage from ANSWERS communities and not export it to other dumps.
But as it stands, if Albany does not constantly persue building Coeymans (as judged by the DEC solid waste bureau) then Rapp Road must be closed. Does this mean, Albany has to seriously persue this or spend a lot of money doing it? No. They've never bothered to seek a permit or an environmental review, they simply want to keep Rapp Road open for a few more years.
Maybe Jim Travers and his men can give me a bit more of an update. I would apprechiate if he could drop me a line or maybe I'll see him next week at the Pine Bush dinner.
The New York Sun seriously questions if Spitzer has any serious plans to cut taxes. It seems the answer is somewhat with his STAR tax cut program and his plan to cut income taxes for some New York City residents.
His modification to the STAR program is a start, connecting some income considerations to the rebate program at least for middle-income making between $50k to a 1/4 million dollars a year. Not much of a bone for working New Yorkers, but a start for some.
Other then that, not much. Then again, Faso's plans for cutting taxes basically do similiar things, if not far more slanted for the rich. It seems that there is no easy way to cut taxes, and with the $6 billion price tag for the Spitzer plan, we can't hope for much more.
It looks like in the latest fight over the city garbage dump with one of their contractors, that Riffenberg is alleging the city is covering up facts about letache leaks, and the city is suing Riffenberg over causing those leaks.
It's just another in a series of messes at Rapp Road, following the Minesota Methane debacals that stunk up whole neighboorhoods and released potent global warming chemicals. Some people are acting like this is a major scandal, but I have my doubts.
The reality of it landfills are a real problem. Almost all landfills leak lechate that poisions ground water around them if not now then in the future when the 60 mil poly under them or above them (letting rain water in and overflowing the lectate collection) reputures (particularly if they don't have bentonite or clay soils under them).
Cleaning up old garbage dumps is big business for environmental remindation corporations and geologists that are employeed by it. Hopefully the newer cells in Rapp Road built under the newer regulations won't be as much of a problem as unlined garbage dumps in the long run, but we don't really know. Remember, that about 2/3 of Rapp Road is unlined as it was built prior to the mid-1990 when the DEC (and RCRA regs) required that landfills be lined.
It looks like David Soares is sticking his nose around the Capitol these days, looking at who and why people are getting state monies for possible criminal behavior. Soares sounds like he's doing a lot of work to keep people honest, but so far his investigations have not proven too successful. Let's wait and see at least on this one.
It looks like Joe and Shelly have come up with a new tax rebate program to replace the one vetoed by the governor that probably is more consitutional then the first. They are purty desprite to get checks flying out the door around elections day.
It looks like the 39-men in the dusty Albany County Courthouse room, have voted to pass a cap on the local sales tax on gas, limiting it to no more then the first $2 of a gallon. This decision was hailed by some as neccessary relief in an election year, and by others as a way to bankrupt the county who is already straining under high property taxes and costly Medicaid mandates.
Yes, cattle require a lot of water. But that's not we are going to talk about today. It looks like South Swan by the LOB is rather flooded from a broken water main. That caused all kinds of traffic delays, mixed in with all those people going to the various lobby events at the Capitol today, during the last real week to get people's voices heard before they leave for the year.
Bringing in the whole cow thing, we have to remind you again of the most important event at the LOB, at least if you like free food. It's Assembly Republican Dairy Day, so show up there around 11:30 AM, pet Eric Oom's cow, and stuff your face with ice cream, flavored milk, and cheese. It's a of fun and very fattening.
to have the state pay totally for schools and end local school taxes seems particularly attractive, though that won't deal with Medicaid and the growing county tax burden. Is this propsal doable? I don't know as it would require a big time increase of a progressive income tax, something that conservatives would loathe, particularly wealthy ones and those who buy into the business council's rhetoric.
You can read more by seeing the bill memos for AB 8069 and SB 1265 along with visiting New York Property Tax Reform Coalition.
It looks like both the Faso and Suozzi camps are quick to point out that Spitzer's plan to expand STAR is too little, and that it won't do anything to limit or rein in school spending, much less mandates passed down by the legislature.
It's too bad that Spitzer couldn't propose something more unique. I think we all can all agree that property taxes are a problem, particularly in areas where there are development pressures or growth. It also seems that some school spending is wasteful, and that nobody seems to defend the public interest. Yet, we have to make sure we aren't cutting essential services to kids and ensure teachers are compenstated fairly but not excessively.
It looks like Mike is thinking of running for President or at least that's the hint he dropped when he said that he wasn't running at least not as a Democrat or a Republican or something like that.
The Hour reported that "in the context of a humorous anecdote," the billionaire mayor said he'd have no problem coming up with the hundreds of millions of dollars needed to finance a third-party run.
But the mayor acknowledged that "running as an independent would be a daunting thing."
I'm looking forward to a Bloomberg presidential bid. I would be quite entertaining as was Bill Weld's run for governor in New York. will Brilliant Bloomberg actually run for President? I don't know, but he sure has the money to build a hell of an organization and get lots of commericals.
The much ballahooed concert will be tonight. The massive number of semis hauling their stage gear and lights is pretty impressive, though you have to wonder about this being country music.
Country music is suppost to be rustic and simple. With the cost of tickets (over $100 for cheap seats) and all the junk that McGraw drags with himself across the country, it seems that it loses a lot of it's charm. WGNA's Country Fest or even hearing Chris Cagle up at the Clinton County fair sounds much better.
Time to go back to ol' Folk music I guess or maybe less expensive country music acts. At any rate, I'm sure Joan Baez doesn't bring so much crap with herself when she does her yearly concert at the Egg. Mass society ruins everything.
It seems that the average homeowner under the Spitzer plan would save that much under enhanced STAR according to a Newsday analysis. So for many people in Upstate that would be a cut of about a 20% and somewhat less in the lower Hudson Valley.
So it's a start. But it doesn't fix STAR. schools now can just have bigger and bigger budgets as people will be paying less on average, without irking taxpayers. So it's a state subsidy to school growth and mandates that are out of control.
That's all that David Soares has to check on elected officals, according to Fred Dicker. Understandably, the county is pretty broke, but how much investigation and procecution can two men who specialize in it can they do? At least Soares is at least trying.
Not surpisingly, Chris pointed out some mistakes on my very brief remarks on farmworker lobby day at the Capitol. In particular he noted this line:
Illegals have no rights, and the rest aren't doing so good either.
Let me qualify what I ment. People who cross the border illegally are still humans, and they have basic rights despite their illegal entry. Yet, being in a legal limbo kind of leaves such people without pratical recourse.
We wouldn't have so many illegals, if H-2B ag vistas were more accessable and able to do more jobs. It's great that we can have migrants from other countries picking our fruit and vegatables, but they can't work legally in milking houses and the alike.
It's clearly not the fault of the farmers treating their labor badly and abusive pratices are pretty rare. Nor is it a problem with a lack of regulation—hired hands are pretty heavily regulated and have a number of programs avaliable to them if they exploit them. It's the problem with the economy not putting enough money into farms to ensure that laborers fair pay for their labor.
See Chris' two editorials:
They have a lot of good stuff. Both are TIFF files compressed from the orginal PDFs that Chris sent me to save bandwidth. File extensions were fixed so the links are no longer broken. Sorry!
It looks like brand new Ti firetruck got stuck in a ditch after overtaking a big tractor probably with some big discs on the back, too quick to stop the 100-foot Seagrave Concorde Aerialscope truck. So they got on the shoulder, and got stuck at a 45°ree; angle.
Those trucks are heavy, and you want to keep them off the sholder, as my grandfather learned once. They tried to pull it out with a heavy-duty wrecker, which couldn't do it. They had to get heavy crane all the way from Albany.
That's an interesting story to start out with. It's gets more interesting when the tractor operator decided not to stop. Leaving the scene of an accident on a big tractor seems to make it purty easy for the cops to catch up with you as they are pretty unique and don't go that fast.
The tractor operator was ticketed for crossing the yellow line in a no-passing zone, leaving the scene of an accident, and not having the proper orange triangle markings. Don't think he can get points on his driving license for illegal tractor operation. No reason was given for why he left the scene of the accident—was he legal ?!
Across New York State people are getting older and except for Ithaca (Tompkins County), the precentage of the population from ages like 25-34 is much smaller then it was just a decade and a half ago.
On average in 2006, Upstate New York there has on average 15% fewer 24-35 year old people then 15 years ago. Most dramatic was the area around the beautiful but largely deindustrialized Tioga County with Owego and Newark Valley, where they lost nearly half their young adults, or nearly 42% of them.
The numbers are certainly distorted, most significantly with Baby Boomers aging out (a 25 year old in 1990 was born in 1965), along less sigificantly with things like prisoners from downstate being counted it upstate correctional facilities and illegals working on farms that aren't be counted but are frequently of that age range.
See the NY Times Story.
The other day I noticed what appeared to be a windturbine blade heading North on I-787, appears to be destine to the Noble Power Windfarm they are now building in that beautiful country in the North-Western part of Clinton County, not that far from Malone.
He told the mayor there's no way in hell that he's going to support a measure to undedicate land from the Pine Bush preserve to allow the city to dump garbage on some of the best remaining acres of Blue Karner butterfly in the Pine Bush. Good for him. Let me put it simply:
On the other hand, we have another state legislator just north of the city who not only opposes charter schools, but tells the Blue Karner butterfly to go to hell:
Canestrari said he'd support legislation to expand the landfill if the mayor says he needs it. And he said he'd try to get McEneny's support as well. "This is an issue we're trying to work out now," said Canestrari.
Uh... Oh. The Assemblyman Ron Canestrari whose district does not include the landfill is being pressured and bucking to the powers to be in the city, is trying to force in the last minutes of session to get the power to take Pine Bush land and use it for dumping trash. He must be stopped.
First thing tommorow morning do the following:
Thank You!
It also looks like that the legislature is leaving with a lot of issues largely untouched. The Times Union rates the major issues as:
GOOD BET
Some kind of property tax rebate: Politicians are eager to look good in an election year by giving voters back some of their tax dollars. Environmental Protection Fund: The $200 million for open space as well as clean air and clean water is caught up in budget fights, but Gov. George Pataki is unlikely to leave office without this added boost to his green reputation.
COIN TOSS
Cellphone regulation: Two powerful groups, AARP, which favors more disclosure and a grace period for wireless contracts, and the cellphone industry, which opposes regulation, are battling over this one. More charter schools: One of Pataki's stated priorities. The Assembly is resistant. Harks back to 1998, when the governor offered lawmakers a 38 percent pay hike for the state's first 100 charters. Medicaid reform: Senate and Assembly are fighting over who should control an inspector general to police the Medicaid system. But there's a lot of pressure to at least make some reforms and add safeguards to avoid the massive fraud and waste surrounding this program.
DON'T BET ON IT
"Wal-Mart Bill," forcing employers to provide health insurance: Too controversial in the Senate, and proponents already are looking toward resuming the fight next year. Crime: Death penalty, civil commitment for sex offenders, expanded DNA database. The two houses appear simply too far apart for a likely compromise this year.
In other words, Albany is leaving this year as one of the biggest failures in New York history except for having a budget passed. Should they not come back for a fall or post-election lame duck session, all of their work in the past two years will be for naught as the session will be over and all the words printed on paper as bills will become garbage (hopefully which some of the paper will be recycled).
It looks like Governor 'taki showed up at dairy day to give a speech, something he rarely does.
"A lot of people, when they think about New York state, all they think about is New York City," Pataki said. "People have to realize this is one of the most diverse states in America and we have one of the strongest agriculture sectors in America, and dairy is a strong part of that."
...New York’s dairy production is third in the nation with an estimated 6,700 dairy farms. The dairy industry accounts for more than half of total agriculture revenue in the state, and dairy-farm sales totaled more than $1.9 billion last year, according to the state Department of Agriculture.
That makes sense as upstate New York far outproduces Vermont, with the 13th largest population of any state. The milk made in Saint Lawerence, Franklin, and Clinton counties each year actually exceeds the amount made in Vermont, though partly that is because New York farms tend to be larger but not always (there are one or two CAFOs with several cows versus Vermont whose largest farm is 800).
It looks like the public employees will be backing Mark Green, possibly just pushing him over the top against Andrew Cuomo. He's a real wait and see.
Not in 2006, but it looks like David Patterson is pushing for him to run in 2008 should mental health parity not get passed by that point.
The skinny but tan and aging man with the grey suit that sits back in the back of the county legislature and sometimes mumbles about manure management and how the city is screwing the Hilltowns, is proposing that the county set up an agency to study partnering with NYSERDA to promote renewable energy. It would be based on an old public authority:
Nearly 60 years ago, the state Legislature approved the Albany County Heat, Light and Power Authority, but it never came to fruition, Gordon said.
Now it's time to revive the plan and rename it the Albany County Renewable Energy Power Authority, he said. It would operate like the Albany County Airport Authority with directors appointed by the county executive and the legislature.
The obvious reason that's he's interested in this is that it's possiblity for him to make more money on his farm. He's basically retired now and has a county pension, plus the income he makes from selling hay and the few steers he has. Add the ability to make willow or corn into ethanol that could be really good for him and his farming friends.
Yet, it seems beyond that he's interested in hydro-electric possibly from the city's resivours or windmills on high hills like in Rensellearville or even Knox (again more money for farmers :). He notes most of the industry (like grist mills) in the hilltowns used hydro as renewable energy a century ago.
It's a really good proposal for everybody in the county, be it the farmers or consumers of energy. I can just see a vibrant farm economy powered by enathol, once we figure out this whole ethanol thing.
Besides Sandy Gordon, we now have the now-Republican Comptroller Mike Conners supporting his proposal along with a plan to actively investigate oil wholesalers at the Port of Albany to ensure neither the station nor the wholesaler is ripping people off for the their fuel. He says that the county charter limits his supoena power, but he's doing what he can.
The EPF game continues on with Pataki trying to steal funds from it to fund his pet projects, while muncipalities and projects that get monies are increasingly worried that they will be left without these essential monies.
After all, Gov. George Pataki, the Republican-led Senate and the Democrat-led Assembly agree that $200 million of this year's $112-billion state budget should go toward the fund, which doles out money for everything from municipal recycling to the South Shore Estuary Reserve.
But one week before the end of the legislative session, the money remains unallocated and environmental advocates say the fund is being held hostage while the legislature tries to pry more money out of the lame-duck governor for unrelated budget items. And they fear that the funds may not go through at all, leaving local efforts that depend on state money in limbo.
"All of these things will either stop or take a political setback," said Adrienne Esposito, executive director of the Farmingdale-based Citizens Campaign for the Environment.
They are down to 5 more days, including today. They will leave tonight not to come back until Monday, the last week of session. Yet, despite the lack of time, Pataki simply won't let this not get passed at it would look horrible for him. And Shelly probably doesn't want to be an anti-environmentalist either. It's so little money, boys, let's git-r-done.
Apparently this morning the DOT about 5 gallons of paint on the road, leading to several cars getting paint all over them. That will most likely cost us taxpayers a couple of bucks, though I suspect the damage to cars is relatively little.
The ultra-partisan blog (unlike NYC whose only ideology is my own :) for national Democrats has an interesting series called the Libertarian Democrats. It's an interesting read, even if you don't really agree with much.
If you go anywhere near the Schoharie Valley you see big "Flood Evacuation Route" signs every mile or so on almost every road. It seems that the city has plans to move people all over should the Schoharie Valley get destroyed by the dam failing up above. I can see why people are scared, very scared.
Maybe failed would be a better word, with the Pine Bush Commission basically saying that new test wells couldn't be built, at least until the city can come up with a better solution to their taking of some preium Pine Bush acrage:
Before the session, commission Stewardship Director Joel Hecht told commission members that the "proposed landfill expansion would take an irreplaceable piece of the best" part of the dunes and scrub pine in the Pine Bush.
That and city really pissed off the Pine Bush commission by running a big bulldozer path in to put the wells in, tearing down any scrub pines that got in the way. To put those wells in, they needed little more then four-wheeler access path or maybe a skid-loader path. At any rate, they blame it on Riffenberg, but it seems unlikely that the DGS and ultimately the mayor didn't know first.
Mayor Jennings and poor Bill Bruce whose getting bossed aroud claim that it's going to cause some serious problems for the city:
Environmentalists say giving up part of the 3,000-acre preserve to the dump sets a dangerous precedent, but the city warns of a looming garbage crisis unless something is ready before the current dump is full by 2009. The dump serves Albany and 12 other municipalities and private haulers.
Umm... You mean fisical crisis there, Mr. Mayor, right? At any rate, we live in the world of free-market garbage these days, where people regularly haul garbage wherever it's cheapest to dump. Already, thanks to flow control being struck down, lots of garbage misses the ANSWERS system and is either shipped out of state.
The Times Union keeps perputating the myth that the city is serious about Coeymans:
A proposal to build a new regional landfill on 363 acres in Coeymans also appears stalled amid local opposition and the U.S. Army Corps of Engineers findings this year that part of the site contains wetlands.
This among the the hundreds of other landfill sitting processes in our state that have all failed since 1990 except for 2 new ones (all in WNY) and 17 expansions of existing dumps including path Rapp Road expansions. Of course, we all still must remain vigelent because we are dealing with the city of Albany, and they've been known to go for proposals that the economics really stink on.
I've been keeping a close eye on any new bills that relate to the taking of Pine Bush back for landfill. Right now I've not seen anything, but I will keep looking—though it's hard as things move so fast in the legislature these final days, and LRS is infrequently updated.
If you find out anything, please drop me a line: andy@nycowboy.org and it probably wouldn't hurt give Lynne Jackson pinebush@aol.com an email too.
It looks like the Adirondack Porn Agency now is losing another member from the Adirondacks meaning that 3 out of 11 seats are empty with two of them being Adirondack residents.
There is a real push by some get things done now, particularly with Republicans with Pataki connections that hope to steamroll proposals through the Park Agency before Spitzer's people start enforcing the law.
There is an incentive for Pataki to appoint new commissoners so that they would last into the Spitzer administration, but it seem very unlikely that will happen as there is only 4 more session days left, and APA commissoners have never been a real priority for us.
And that his beliefs generated though racial experience caused him to see things then some of the machine people? Those questions are given a nice look in Upstream.
The NYT Blog tell us something most of us already know, that Clinton is going to do all In the final hours of the session, Shelly has come up with a one-house bill that the Senate doesn't like to reform lobbying in New York. Sounds promising, eh?
It's a tad bit offensive, but great. You can see it at the TU blog.
It looks like Noble Power up in Churubusco (Windmill people in Franklin County) is looking for locals who are electricians and the alike to service their windmills when they finally go into operation in Altona, Clinton and Ellenburg (all Northern Clinton County—about 25 miles North West of Plattsburgh). It's very exciting to see things going to the next step.
For the first time, the state legislature has past a law that gives cities the power to float bonds to fix up historical buildings that are privately owned but are falling apart with the owner refusing to pay for repairs.
It's not clear from the story who picks up the tab for the bonds when the owner continues to refuse to pay for the cost. Yet, it does buy time and allow muncipalities to fix up buildings first and then collect later for things that should have paid by the owners in the first place.
Lynne Jackson sent out an action alert encouraging city of Albany residents (or those wishing to pretend to be city residents on the voting rolls :), are asked to go to a Public Hearing on Monday at 7 PM in City Hall on a resolution that would...
The Albany Common Council will vote on June 19 to ask the NYS Legislature to remove 10 acres from the Pine Bush Preserve for the landfill expansion.
As she goes on to note, this may be the only time you can tell the machine-hacks at City Hall about your feelings on the issue. It is ensured that you'll have to walk in front of lots of grubby union garbagemen who'd rather have your head then let you testify, so it will be fun. It's very important as...
The Common Council is sneaking this legislation through at the last minute so that there is not enough time to raise objections. It is extremely important that as many people as possible attend and speak on June 19 and/or contact their Common Council member. The City needs to know how the citizen feel about the Pine Bush.
Also besides attending the hearing, don't forget to contact your city legislator at 434-5090 or the one who you think should be your legislator, and tell them that it's a truly bad idea.
Yesterday, there was a fascinating letter in the TU suggesting a solution to the County's problems would be to disovle the County Legislator, the hulking 39-member body that currently represents many different areas in the county.
The LtE is right insofar as it notes that Albany County's legislature is big, and ridden with patronage people. The prior is questionable compared to other counties on an legislator-per-resident ratio (Clinton County is one to every 8,700—Albany is about 7,800). The later is true in every county, as almost nobody knows who the hell is their county legislators.
We could probably shave our county legislature somewhat, and cut out the massive mess that goes on debating relatively meaningless policy decisions, except that would cut representation. In the hilltowns, that would mean we would only have one legislator or depending how small we make the body, we might even be sharing one with suburbia.
Maybe I'll put it more bluntly: if we merge Chuck Houghtaling and Sandy Gordon's district, who would end up getting it? I would hope the later, but it would make legislative districts massive. Sandy Gordon's district already is roughly 250 square miles, not exactly small. Then again, that's biggest county legislative district as ones in the city are less then a square mile. I never understood one person one vote that well. :)
That sounds purty disappointing, until one realizes that 2/3 of people have never heard of Gillibrand, and most that learn about who she is are pretty positive. It's going to be a tough race it looks like.
Yet, I think we can do it. It's essential we win back the house this year, and this might be a seat that we can win. Kirsten is a truly impressive person, and it seems that she has a vision of a truly progressive area across the vast expanses of her district.
Also be cynical of the source:
A poll commissioned by Saratoga County Republicans shows incumbent U.S. Rep. John Sweeney with a wide lead in the 20th Congressional District race, but capturing only slightly over half the vote...
...The poll by Zogby International shows Sweeney leading Gillibrand 51 percent to 27 percent. A little over 22 percent were undecided. The poll of 401 likely voters, done June 6-7 across the vast 20th Congressional District, had a margin of error of 5 percentage points. The largest chunk—32 percent—came from Sweeney's home base in Saratoga County...
...Sweeney had a favorable rating of 63 percent; about 25 percent havd an unfavorable view of him. Gillibrand's favorable-unfavorable rating was 22 percent to 8 percent, while most—69 percent—said they were unfamiliar with her.
We will have to wait and see.
It looks like the following will happen according to Lynne Jackson:
So make sure to let your Senator and Assemblymember know ASAP. Soon we should hopefully have an e-form for doing that.